Im back on WASTING money

[KUHNBOYZ]

So before I was rudely removed it was gettin good. Lets have it. How do you fix an individual who constantly focks the rest of us with the're actions. T BONE ,SCUBA FM 301 you know who Im talkin about. Oh yeah and He's gonna handle all of the donation money for the arson program? I think thats imbezzlement. What do you think..... Oh yeah and yes I am a hater

[firemedic301]

OK Kuhnanny I think we got nipped by the wizard behind the curtain (otherwise know as the Chileman aka DIDYMOO) for using references to the individuals name???? So let's just refer to him as "That guy or this Guy" although I believe That guy did go on PUBLIC TV in uniform and it DID give his name and Rank. That to me woud say it is OK to call him by name and HELL the bottomline is ALL of us have screwed up now and again but another saying comes into play here.

GOOD people can occasionally do BAD things, and there are BAD people that can occasionally do GOOD things but, in the END and over the long haul the TRUE person will show their TRUE colors

It is what it is, and UNFORTUNATELY I ate a whole bag of sunflower seed at my son soccer game this weekend and I had a hardtime remembering how good they were because I ate a ROTTEN that left such a bad taste in my mouth it will take me a while to get itout of my mind.

Moral to the story: DON'T be a piece of CRAP Rotten seed that EVERYBODY remembers above all the GREAT guy's out there and YOU won't be called out in a public forum.

I would love a Thread where the ROTTEN SEEDS could be called out for what they are, and give facts of what they have done and let the KANGAROO court judge them for what it is.

[lvladder1]

If you're talking about embezzlement, then that's an easy fix. Fire that person, that ish is illegal, right? We just (2 weeks ago) fired a dude with 3 crossed gold bugles in charge of home land security (talk about being top heavy), for doing that exact thing "embezzlement".
I've been on a few of fires over the last couple years that the ATF helped out with the investigation due to dollar amount lost and they don't even have their own dogs. They contract with LACo. Fire (on the west coast). I know "contract" is one of those words that makes us cringe in the fire service but the ATF with an endless budget contracts out their arson dogs.

[firemedic301]

Does anybody know if he uses the Dog for his Private ARSON INVESTIGATION BUSINESS on the side??? If so I would think that is a major conflict of interest. Just asking

[KUHNBOYZ]

Sorry about the spelling ,I'm a FIREMAN not an english major. Anyways I think you got the point...HAHA. I'm just glad to have a website to be able to tell the rest of the story. You know the Shiat that goes untold for fear of the boogie monster commin to get you. I'm glad to see we are'nt the only ones that have these fockers on our departments. And yes I think he has another dog he uses for his off duty business. Hence the need to keep his free training and certification going on here. Thats Ok he's so full of shiat nobody will call him as a wittness. Give him enough rope he'll hang himself.....KB

[TaylorMade]

If funding was provided to the individual at the last moment by means of donations from the public, than the department should manage those funds for the individual.

NOT the handler personally. If it is a public program, than a public entity needs to distribute and provide accounting.

By any means, sounds like this situation has been a handful, and a heated topic in your dept.

[Squirrely]

Cricket Cricket! :rolleyes:

[hottie4fire]

You guys should stop throwing your own "brother" into the fire. You guys should be better to one another. There are a few people in here that like to bash AMR and there own guys.

[TomCat]

Hey Fellas:

Don't know about you all, I came to get the straight scoop! None of that diluted PC crap that we're forced-fed, while on duty, on a daily basis.

Chile, think your time would be better served marketing this quality web site to others in our profession, rather than censoring the fine responses from some of your users!

To all, like your responses reference to the "problem child." In Nam, they would have Frag'd his **BLEEP****BLEEP****BLEEP**. In this forum, if the editor has his way, sounds like we're limited to a group hug!

[Chile]

In this forum, if the editor has his way, sounds like we're limited to a group hug!

OUCH! C'mon now TomCat.

Oh, by the way welcome to the west coast 911 forums.
Glad to have you (I think).

I totally have an appreciation for your RIGHT to express yourself. That is what this country is made of.

Please understand that I want to help ensure professionalism amongst our membership arena.

All I ask is that we keep it clean.

Sending you an E-Hug,
Chile

[TomCat]

Agreed Chile, and by the way - nice infomercial. Sound as though your users are craving for a forum to express their first amendment rights.

[GossipCrusher]

I think the e-hug should go to you for trying to keep people on the straight and narrow. This site is great...the few people that post mistruths shoudn't ruin it for the whole group.

[GossipCrusher]

Does anybody know if he uses the Dog for his Private ARSON INVESTIGATION BUSINESS on the side??? If so I would think that is a major conflict of interest. Just asking

Hey Medic,
I do private work for independents and know for a fact that he doesn't. He has been asked by a couple of companies that I have done work for and he told them he couldn't do it.

[GossipCrusher]

So before I was rudely removed it was gettin good. Lets have it. How do you fix an individual who constantly focks the rest of us with the're actions. T BONE ,SCUBA FM 301 you know who Im talkin about. Oh yeah and He's gonna handle all of the donation money for the arson program? I think thats imbezzlement. What do you think..... Oh yeah and yes I am a hater

Kuhn,
You couldn't be more more off base. He is not touching the money. It goes directly to a committee. It never runs through his hands. What you are saying only makes you look foolish.

[bigdog]

GossipCrusher,

If your going to try to set the record straight you should at least state the facts correctly yourself.
The facts are that the City "recommened" to the Chief that he should allow the Arson K-9 handler to try to raise funds to save the Arson K-9 program. The Chief agreed to allow him to try.
The problem is because the City is a non-profit organization it cannot receive the donated money comming in. The Chief asked the Union if they could help out, they agreed to look into it and were advised by the Union accountant to not accept the donations.
So now the City has money comming in, but dosen't know what to do with it.
Kuhn is correct in the fact that one option that has been dicussed is to allow the K-9 handler to control the money, but I think they're realizing that that is not a good option.
If their has been a commitee established to deal with the money I have not heard and would like to hear more details.

[GossipCrusher]

I am not going to say much else other than the bashing is unjustified. Kuhn is spreading untruths. A foundation is being established through a banker and an attorney to make sure that the funds will be used strictly for the K-9 program. It will then be a self funded program through donations. The
K-9 handler and the committee has worked hard through funraisers (10 this month) and donation contacts to be able to fund the program without city or fire department funds. It is hard work and my hat is off to him for going the extra mile for something he believes in.

Big Dog/Kuhn-I think that if the Chief really wanted you involved he himself would have made a point to fill you in with the correct details.

[firemedic301]

[QUOTE=GossipCrusher;1109]. It is hard work and my hat is off to him for going the extra mile for something he believes in.[QUOTE]

I will agree that he has probably worked and is currently working very hard on raising funds. Heck let's be honest, this is ALL about one thing OVERTIME!!!! I will give him credit, he is working hard to put money (quite a bit i'm sure) in YOUR pockets and if I could I would. Unfortunately GOSSIPCRUSHER you are well aware of the amount of money he has cost ALL of us union members and that has created a bit of animosity and that is where the anger is coming from. At least that is what I see. I going out on a limb and going to make a guess that you are his wife. I respect that you want to defend him ( I would expect the same from my wife) however, there are obviously a few people on here that he has rubbed wrong and this forum has opened up dialog to vent frustrations, good or bad, it is what it is.

[GossipCrusher]

Fire,
Overtime doesn't even come into play here. The average dog call out is what 2 hours? Maybe 3? Heck, most of the department won't even pick up an OT unless it is the full 24 hours. How many of you would get up in the middle of the night to go to a fire scene for 2 or possibly 3 hours? Wouldn't most of you rather just take the 24 or even 12 hour shifts that are available?Besides, that he hasn't worked OT due to a K-9 call for a very long time. Believe me, I mean no disrespect, but I clearly see things that most don't. He really has to believe in the program and the importance of it when it comes to the investigation world or believe me...he would just throw in the towel.

[firemedic301]

OK so he doesn't get paid OT for ALL call outs and he doesn't get paid OT for FEEDING and CARING for the dog everyweek and HE pays for the DEPARMENT vehicles fuel back and forth to work and calls???, I have known him for a while and have NEVER had a problem with him, he has always been straight-up with me!!! However, I absolutely see where people have frustration with him and VARIOUS problems he has had on the job. Now PLEASE don't come out and make it seem like he doing this DOG program out of the goodness of his heart!!! I'm sure in a lot of round about ways YOU GUY'S benefit FINACIALLY from the dog program, and to say you don't just creates more animosity because YOU know it does. Can you say in the next couple of years after the dog is retired (from the Dept.) he will NEVER be used in the PRIVATE sector??? YOU want to be a GOSSIPCRUSHER so just come out and say HELL YA the dog makes us money, but the training and care of the dog is hard work. And HELL YA the dog is going to make us money in the private sector after he is retired. ALL I would like to see is HONESTY, even if it pisses guy's off at least it is HONEST!!! BVLLSHITTING us ONLY makes things worse, just my HONEST opinion. Again MOST of the frustration that is vented towards the DOG program is not about the DOG or the PROGRAM, it is about PAST problems that are coming to the surface.
FINALLY let me say again, I have no problem with HIM (in fact I get along just fine with him, is ALWAYS cool to me), I am just pointing out a broad overview of the situation.

[Berdoo Beau]

OK so he doesn't get paid OT for ALL call outs and he doesn't get paid OT for FEEDING and CARING for the dog everyweek and HE pays for the DEPARMENT vehicles fuel back and forth to work and calls???, I have known him for a while and have NEVER had a problem with him, he has always been straight-up with me!!! However, I absolutely see where people have frustration with him and VARIOUS problems he has had on the job. Now PLEASE don't come out and make it seem like he doing this DOG program out of the goodness of his heart!!! I'm sure in a lot of round about ways YOU GUY'S benefit FINACIALLY from the dog program, and to say you don't just creates more animosity because YOU know it does. Can you say in the next couple of years after the dog is retired (from the Dept.) he will NEVER be used in the PRIVATE sector??? YOU want to be a GOSSIPCRUSHER so just come out and say HELL YA the dog makes us money, but the training and care of the dog is hard work. And HELL YA the dog is going to make us money in the private sector after he is retired. ALL I would like to see is HONESTY, even if it pisses guy's off at least it is HONEST!!! BVLLSHITTING us ONLY makes things worse, just my HONEST opinion. Again MOST of the frustration that is vented towards the DOG program is not about the DOG or the PROGRAM, it is about PAST problems that are coming to the surface.
FINALLY let me say again, I have no problem with HIM (in fact I get along just fine with him, is ALWAYS cool to me), I am just pointing out a broad overview of the situation.

301 et al = I can't let this go any longer. I've been reading ALL of the comments and some of them hurt. Why? Because I've worked with Dog Boy in the past and I've seen his devotion and dedication to the Dog Program from before he was even aware he was interested in the program right up to the present. I was there. I was involved. I was part of the process. No, I don't have any idea who "GossipCrusher" is nor do I care. No, he doesn't get a dime for the care, feeding and constant training of the dog on a daily basis. Yes, he is ABSOLUTELY doing this out of the "goodness of his heart". I can vouch for that if that makes any difference. Dog Boy has a mouth and an attitude but he also has a dedication to the Arson Program and the skills to back it up that few have EVER had. I've been back-to-back with him on some hairy calls. I've arrested, interviewed and convicted many suspects with him. He knows the job. He likes it enough to do it off-duty (without the dog) and receives MANY compliments from outside agencies. Period. He's got troubles right now. So do others. We all pay our dues so that the option of defense is there - for ALL OF US. Is he or is he not your brother? Right or wrong - good or bad? How far does your allegiance go? Do you gauge another man's worth by the dollar or the deed?

Finally - once the dog is "retired", that's pretty much it. The dog's nose is only good for so many years and can only be certified for so long. After that - the dog gets to eat, sleep, play and make pups but no more fires. 5 - 6 years is about it. Don't believe me? Ask Hubbell - he started the program. You want honesty? Here it is - Dog Boy is not the first nor will he be the last to utilize Union funds for defense. MY money has gone to defend a HELL OF A LOT of people LONG before you or anyone else on this forum even heard of San Bernardino City Fire Department. So shall it will always be.

Respectfully,
Bill

Stand Together or Stand Alone

[GossipCrusher]

OK so he doesn't get paid OT for ALL call outs and he doesn't get paid OT for FEEDING and CARING for the dog everyweek and HE pays for the DEPARMENT vehicles fuel back and forth to work and calls???, I have known him for a while and have NEVER had a problem with him, he has always been straight-up with me!!! However, I absolutely see where people have frustration with him and VARIOUS problems he has had on the job. Now PLEASE don't come out and make it seem like he doing this DOG program out of the goodness of his heart!!! I'm sure in a lot of round about ways YOU GUY'S benefit FINACIALLY from the dog program, and to say you don't just creates more animosity because YOU know it does. Can you say in the next couple of years after the dog is retired (from the Dept.) he will NEVER be used in the PRIVATE sector??? YOU want to be a GOSSIPCRUSHER so just come out and say HELL YA the dog makes us money, but the training and care of the dog is hard work. And HELL YA the dog is going to make us money in the private sector after he is retired. ALL I would like to see is HONESTY, even if it pisses guy's off at least it is HONEST!!! BVLLSHITTING us ONLY makes things worse, just my HONEST opinion. Again MOST of the frustration that is vented towards the DOG program is not about the DOG or the PROGRAM, it is about PAST problems that are coming to the surface.
FINALLY let me say again, I have no problem with HIM (in fact I get along just fine with him, is ALWAYS cool to me), I am just pointing out a broad overview of the situation.

Fire,
If it is honest you want...go to the source. Ask him what his plans are. You said he has always been straight up, and I am sure that will be true of him now as well.
Bill is right, the dog can only work for so long. 5 to 6 years is about the max.
As for being honest, I feel I have been honest to a fault. I have explained things that I shouldn't have to explain in order to protect a reputation.
Why do people bash. There is no glamour in the dog program. The dog goes everywhere with you even on vacation you are training 3-5X a day. Everythin you do revolves around the dog. You can't just throw down a bowl of food, its work. Most of the bashers wouldn't make it. When he has completed his contract....go for it. Lets see what dedication lies within you. By then he will have done all the fund raising and the next handler can reap the benefits of it. There is also no hidden agenda....He straight loves what he does. There, you have heard it twice. Not that it matters because if you search hard enough you will find something else to slam about.
I think that the people who can't believe that there is no hidden benefit in it are the ones that wouldn't do something just for the love of it. Believe it or not there are good people out there.

So Fire...are you up for it! Lets see if you can do the job when...The "GUY" is done.

[firemedic301]

Thanks for the clarification Bill, I am hoping you read into my post that I was not "spreading the hate" I was asking GOSSIPCRUSHER for clarification on some facts and you clarified them VERY clearly!! I wish you would have chimed in WAY earlier and this post may have possibly gone in a different direction. Thanks BIGGGGGGGGGG BILLLLLLLLLLLLL;)

[Berdoo Beau]

My Brother Steve - and everyone else on this forum,
I speak this way and I defend some that need defending because I am as imperfect as it gets. The ONLY difference is that I TRY to learn from my mistakes and not repeat the ones I've made. I read nothing else into what you wrote. I read nothing else into what everyone else wrote. I ONLY read into it what was written. There en lies the crux of the biscuit. Write what you must. Think about what you write. Write the TRUTH. Truth is taken from facts. Facts can and should be referenced. A series of facts creates the ability to extrapolate or draw a conclusion based on a series of facts. Do it first and demand the same. No worries on anything else.

I still live with the stigma of the past and the stories that get more exaggerated every year. Some of the newbies have been overheard swapping stories about certain events that occurred long before they joined only to be "corrected" by the Old Guard that overheard them and actually experienced those events. Make no mistake, My Brothers & Sisters... you cannot B.S. this job. Someone somewhere KNOWS the truth and can prove it.

Speak clearly. Strive to agree. If you cannot agree - then be clear about your subject. If you lay down a fact - give a reference (or two). It only makes your point better. I've done my share of B.S.'ing and regretted it. I've given the Dept a black eye in the past and have sworn never to repeat it. I have no agenda. I carry no grudge. I only want the truth. I promise to give you the same. My past and present are an open book. I'll put my potential promotion on the line on pure peer review. Good or bad - I'll take it. That's how much I believe in what I just wrote.

Other than that... I'd rather go motorcycling. You're welcome to join.

Cheers!
Bill

No Matter Where You Go - There You Are.

[GossipCrusher]

Bill,
Thank you! I know sometimes when I write, I come off kinda harsh. You explain things nicely. I appreciate you stepping up with your honest opinion.

[GossipCrusher]

Thanks for the clarification Bill, I am hoping you read into my post that I was not "spreading the hate" I was asking GOSSIPCRUSHER for clarification on some facts and you clarified them VERY clearly!! I wish you would have chimed in WAY earlier and this post may have possibly gone in a different direction. Thanks BIGGGGGGGGGG BILLLLLLLLLLLLL;)

Hey Medic,
I hope that you know that I am not trying to pick on you in general. I just like people to get a fair shake.

[TomCat]

Good points, Berdoo Beau. Though you're far too humble and a little self-defeating (stratgically, my guess), think there might be some distinctions between you and the referenced "problem child," such as: character, Honesty, and introspection (Berdoo B' that is). I suspect these attributes led to your transformation and personal growth. By the way, do you have a sissy bar - might be inclined to join you on the bike ride!

From my humble perspective, the referenced person may lack the ability to make a similar transformation (because the missing ingrediants stated above), and therefor; serve as a perpetual source of trouble and negative reflection for the membership. Anybody think different? Think if he/she might finally see the light and finally be a positive contributor to the membership?

Berdoo's right, the union has an obligation to represent the referenced person, regardless of public opinion. Similar to health insurance, it's always 2-3% of the members that will hyper-utilize these services with a result of higher fees/dues for all. Based off the random sampling on this forum, one can only conclude that there's additional issues between the PC and the membership. The PC must have done something to sway public opinion against him - perhaps burn't a brotha/s?